1 00:00:03,296 --> 00:00:06,549 (man) On this track you will hear screenwriter Jim Uhls 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:09,469 and novelist Chuck Palahniuk. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:17,074 5 days of Hacking / Camping / Lectures Join May Contain Hackers: MCH2022.org 4 00:00:38,122 --> 00:00:39,749 Chuck Palahniuk. 5 00:00:39,874 --> 00:00:43,419 (Chuck) I hate seeing it in theaters 'cause they never play this part loud enough. 6 00:00:43,545 --> 00:00:46,631 They never turn it up like it's supposed to be. 7 00:00:50,051 --> 00:00:53,805 I had gone on a vacation - I'd been hiking and camping - 8 00:00:54,472 --> 00:01:00,103 and I had gotten into a big fight with some people over noise at night in the woods. 9 00:01:00,812 --> 00:01:03,398 Some people who had to camp next to our camp, 10 00:01:03,481 --> 00:01:08,486 just had to bring some huge radio up to 3,000 feet on the Pacific Crest Trail 11 00:01:08,653 --> 00:01:11,823 and have some big blowout party in the middle of the night. 12 00:01:12,448 --> 00:01:16,953 And I came back to work at the end of my vacation with my face just bashed, 13 00:01:17,036 --> 00:01:19,747 like Jack at the urinal next to his boss. 14 00:01:19,831 --> 00:01:24,085 My face was so awful and so trashed that nobody would acknowledge it. 15 00:01:24,168 --> 00:01:29,799 To acknowledge it, they'd have to find out something about me they did not want to. 16 00:01:29,882 --> 00:01:34,762 So, for three months, as my face changed color, eventually coming back to white, 17 00:01:34,887 --> 00:01:38,766 people would look at my chest, and they would talk to my Adam's apple, 18 00:01:38,850 --> 00:01:41,394 and they'd say, "So, how was your weekend? 19 00:01:41,477 --> 00:01:42,937 "Did you do anything interesting?" 20 00:01:43,021 --> 00:01:47,900 And I'd be looking at them with two huge black eyes, saying, "No. How about you?" 21 00:01:48,067 --> 00:01:51,446 It seemed so ludicrous - if you looked bad enough, 22 00:01:51,529 --> 00:01:55,283 no one would dare ask you what you did with your free time. 23 00:01:55,867 --> 00:01:58,036 And that was the genesis of Fight Club. 24 00:02:05,251 --> 00:02:08,087 (man) People always ask me if I know Tyler Durden. 25 00:02:11,132 --> 00:02:14,344 (Chuck) I thought it was "...if I know about Tyler Durden". 26 00:02:14,677 --> 00:02:16,679 That was the line from the book. 27 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:21,768 And so, "know about" and "know." I just saw a real distinction between the two. 28 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:34,072 (man) Jim Uhls. 29 00:02:34,489 --> 00:02:39,243 (Jim) An executive, who wasn't even going to acquire the book, 30 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:41,829 read a script I did and thought I'd be interested. 31 00:02:41,913 --> 00:02:44,707 She let me see it - her name was Elizabeth Robinson. 32 00:02:44,791 --> 00:02:51,047 She gave me a copy of it before anyone had acquired it, and helped me track it. 33 00:02:51,130 --> 00:02:56,427 In fact, she got to Raymond Bongiovanni one of my scripts, Hard Hearts, 34 00:02:57,011 --> 00:03:00,932 and he thought that I'd be appropriate as a screenwriter for it. 35 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:04,102 I never actually spoke to him or met him, unfortunately. 36 00:03:04,185 --> 00:03:07,522 And I owe him a lot. I don't know if you actually said that, 37 00:03:07,605 --> 00:03:11,984 but he died around the beginning of the process of acquiring the rights 38 00:03:12,068 --> 00:03:13,778 and me being hired. 39 00:03:13,986 --> 00:03:15,697 (Chuck) It was funny and sad. 40 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:19,992 Raymond was so gung ho on it, and Raymond was pressuring people to read it. 41 00:03:20,076 --> 00:03:23,746 And then Raymond was losing weight at an enormous rate 42 00:03:24,288 --> 00:03:27,834 and Raymond was obviously really sick, and then Raymond was dead. 43 00:03:27,917 --> 00:03:32,422 And then there was his obituary in Variety, 44 00:03:32,505 --> 00:03:35,007 "Raymond Bongiovanni's last wish 45 00:03:35,091 --> 00:03:38,720 was that the Chuck Palahniuk novel, Fight Club, become a movie." 46 00:03:38,803 --> 00:03:41,597 In a couple of days, my agent called and said, 47 00:03:41,681 --> 00:03:43,349 "I just came from Raymond's funeral." 48 00:03:43,433 --> 00:03:45,351 "You got mentioned eight times in the eulogy. 49 00:03:45,435 --> 00:03:47,437 "You can't buy better press than that." 50 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,939 On one hand it was incredibly sad, 51 00:03:50,022 --> 00:03:53,234 but on another hand, it seemed like even from the other side 52 00:03:53,317 --> 00:03:54,485 Raymond was still pushing. 53 00:03:55,111 --> 00:03:58,656 So I think Raymond is really who got all of this started. 54 00:03:59,949 --> 00:04:04,036 (Jim) To emphasize the disjointed nature of Jack's remembrance, 55 00:04:05,037 --> 00:04:12,003 he flashes back and then he flashes back further inside the flashback. 56 00:04:13,421 --> 00:04:15,381 (Chuck) Yeah, you got a problem with that? 57 00:04:16,424 --> 00:04:18,050 I followed it. 58 00:04:21,429 --> 00:04:25,183 (Jim) So, to continue with what I was saying, 59 00:04:25,975 --> 00:04:28,603 the producers at the time were Ross Bell and Josh Donnen. 60 00:04:28,686 --> 00:04:32,356 But Josh subsequently left producing to go back to agenting. 61 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,443 But Ross Bell was a person who was sort of the point man. 62 00:04:35,526 --> 00:04:39,155 He and Kevin McCormick, who was at the studio, and Laura Ziskin, 63 00:04:39,238 --> 00:04:42,784 ultimately all got on board with me being the writer on the project. 64 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:45,703 And basically David and I started at the same time. 65 00:04:46,537 --> 00:04:47,747 I gave him an outline he looked at, 66 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:51,501 and then he was very busy and had to go do The Game. 67 00:04:51,584 --> 00:04:56,130 I did the first draft. It wasn't until the second draft that I got to sit down 68 00:04:56,214 --> 00:04:59,175 and have a lot of conversations and input from David. 69 00:05:00,009 --> 00:05:02,386 I tried to nail as much as I could in the first draft. 70 00:05:03,387 --> 00:05:07,809 (Chuck) This condo was supposed to have been based on a condo that David lived in. 71 00:05:07,892 --> 00:05:09,644 Have you heard that? 72 00:05:12,396 --> 00:05:16,567 OK, that coffee table is now in my living room. 73 00:05:24,742 --> 00:05:27,912 OK, in a minute you're gonna see Mike's refrigerator. 74 00:05:27,995 --> 00:05:32,917 Mike Smith, who has 700 kinds of mustard and no food. Sorry, Mike. 75 00:05:54,063 --> 00:05:58,484 You see, if Richard Tuscher, Dr. Richard Tuscher, had given me barbiturates, 76 00:05:58,568 --> 00:06:00,820 this book would never have been written. 77 00:06:01,237 --> 00:06:03,948 So, thank you, Dr. Richard Tuscher. 78 00:06:20,548 --> 00:06:21,591 (Jim) The one thing I wanted to note 79 00:06:22,508 --> 00:06:25,303 about the book is you get all the information at once. 80 00:06:25,386 --> 00:06:28,848 The very first testicular cancer scene has Marla in it. 81 00:06:29,140 --> 00:06:34,228 We know that this character, the narrator - who we'll call Jack - is a liar, 82 00:06:34,312 --> 00:06:37,398 we know she's a liar all in the same scene. 83 00:06:37,481 --> 00:06:42,236 But I thought it might be better in the film to learn everything sequentially, 84 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,616 that the first time we saw him with Bob, we thought he might have had it. 85 00:06:47,116 --> 00:06:51,454 And then we've discovered that he goes, and then he gets addicted to it, 86 00:06:51,537 --> 00:06:55,124 and then, once we're on board with that, we find out that Marla... 87 00:06:55,583 --> 00:06:58,586 We introduce Marla - she comes into the scene. 88 00:06:58,753 --> 00:07:00,796 (Chuck) That's the way it has to be done, 89 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,092 because you would just be overloading people with too much. 90 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:09,597 Did you hear about when they were shooting this scene? 91 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,767 (Jim) Somebody... an extra objected to it. 92 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:17,688 (Chuck) They were so offended by it, they walked out and refused to be paid for it. 93 00:07:18,022 --> 00:07:20,650 But then later came back and asked for SAG wages. 94 00:07:29,951 --> 00:07:34,372 At first they thought it was a legitimate scene about a support group, 95 00:07:34,455 --> 00:07:37,625 then realized that someone was a voyeur sitting in on it. 96 00:07:37,708 --> 00:07:41,963 And, at that point, they thought it was offensive. 97 00:07:52,390 --> 00:07:53,641 (Jim) I think it was important that 98 00:07:53,724 --> 00:07:57,603 the confession we heard was so painful and real, 99 00:07:57,687 --> 00:08:00,731 to give weight to the sardonic humor of what he's doing. 100 00:08:00,815 --> 00:08:01,899 (Chuck) Yeah. 101 00:08:04,193 --> 00:08:07,738 You couldn't have done Chloe later on without doing this. 102 00:08:08,239 --> 00:08:09,740 (Jim) Right, right. 103 00:08:15,746 --> 00:08:17,915 (Chuck) The fat harness Meat Loaf wears, 104 00:08:17,999 --> 00:08:20,459 there was a story Planet Hollywood wanted it, 105 00:08:20,584 --> 00:08:25,423 but after Meat Loaf was done with it, it was so soaked in sweat and so nasty 106 00:08:25,673 --> 00:08:27,466 that David Fincher said there was no way 107 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:31,470 a health code would allow it inside a restaurant. 108 00:08:46,152 --> 00:08:48,029 Where did you come up with the name Cornelius? 109 00:08:49,613 --> 00:08:52,408 I love those names - Rupert, Cornelius. 110 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:55,786 (Jim) I don't know, just things that hit me. 111 00:09:19,727 --> 00:09:22,188 (Chuck) I can't believe what a laugh that face gets. 112 00:09:32,156 --> 00:09:35,409 It's like a montage transitional sequence. 113 00:09:35,493 --> 00:09:38,579 I really love this. This seemed to work so well. 114 00:09:39,163 --> 00:09:40,247 (Jim) Yeah. 115 00:09:42,708 --> 00:09:46,670 (Chuck) It's funny, 'cause I was not gonna do sickle-cell anemia in the book, 116 00:09:46,754 --> 00:09:49,090 'cause I thought people would scream, "Racism". 117 00:09:49,173 --> 00:09:51,008 So I was amazed that you did it here. 118 00:10:14,073 --> 00:10:16,659 I used to work at a hospice as a volunteer, 119 00:10:16,742 --> 00:10:19,370 and I couldn't do anything but drive people, 120 00:10:19,537 --> 00:10:21,539 so I drove them to their support groups 121 00:10:22,331 --> 00:10:25,626 and sat through them, to drive them back to the hospice. 122 00:10:25,835 --> 00:10:31,090 I sat through so many of these heartbreaking cancer support groups. 123 00:10:40,057 --> 00:10:43,227 (Jim) I think it's important to note that this character Jack 124 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:48,440 is getting a meaningful psychological benefit 125 00:10:48,566 --> 00:10:52,903 from going to these support groups, albeit not in the way they were intended. 126 00:10:52,987 --> 00:10:54,196 (Chuck) Right. Exactly. 127 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,908 And he's not belittling them or making fun of them in any way. 128 00:11:01,162 --> 00:11:03,831 And no, I do not want anymore penguins, OK? 129 00:11:03,914 --> 00:11:06,584 I got a house full of penguin shit now. 130 00:11:07,251 --> 00:11:10,838 Oh, the digitalized breath in the cave sequences, 131 00:11:10,963 --> 00:11:13,132 did you know that's left over from Titanic? 132 00:11:13,215 --> 00:11:15,551 It's Titanic breath they reused. 133 00:11:15,968 --> 00:11:17,636 I thought that was so great. 134 00:11:30,774 --> 00:11:34,612 This is sad because I know a dozen guys 135 00:11:35,112 --> 00:11:36,864 who did steroids in the '80s, 136 00:11:37,239 --> 00:11:39,783 and it's like they're all Bob now. 137 00:11:40,284 --> 00:11:44,705 They're all so heavy and they all have back injuries now. 138 00:11:45,206 --> 00:11:50,085 And it's miserable, because a friend of mine is named Bob, 139 00:11:50,211 --> 00:11:54,548 and ended up getting testicular cancer after I wrote the book. 140 00:11:55,090 --> 00:11:57,593 So the irony of that was just crushing. 141 00:12:17,905 --> 00:12:24,161 It's so amazing with the sunglasses. She's not a person at this point, she's a symbol. 142 00:12:25,871 --> 00:12:31,252 (Jim) And she seems to have less concern with concealing the fact that she's a liar. 143 00:12:32,336 --> 00:12:34,046 (Chuck) She's not even trying to fit in. 144 00:13:06,787 --> 00:13:10,791 I used to sit in those groups. I would do the exercises they did. 145 00:13:11,792 --> 00:13:15,212 I did the power-animal exercise. I got a penguin that said, "Slide". 146 00:13:15,296 --> 00:13:17,423 I'm sorry, it's not made up. 147 00:13:28,225 --> 00:13:32,354 Chloe is based on a woman named Rene I used to work with, 148 00:13:32,896 --> 00:13:37,776 who, boom, one day had breast cancer and had a bandana around her head, 149 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:42,531 and then within months was dead, and it was an incredible shock to everybody. 150 00:13:43,073 --> 00:13:49,413 She was really a wonderful woman and it was just appalling how fast it happened. 151 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:04,845 I didn't notice that there's Helena up there, smiling away. 152 00:14:37,127 --> 00:14:39,171 I thought this was really well done. 153 00:14:39,254 --> 00:14:44,593 I thought bringing Marla back to a reoccurring setting, that was established... 154 00:14:50,182 --> 00:14:53,477 And you do it once again, which I thought was just terrific. 155 00:14:54,353 --> 00:14:57,815 You know, so it's throughout the whole thing rather than just in one place. 156 00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:20,546 Marla is based on Marla (beep), who used to beat up my sister Shawn in school. 157 00:15:20,671 --> 00:15:25,217 So it was pretty much the most despicable female name I could come up with. 158 00:15:26,343 --> 00:15:28,011 And Tyler Durden - 159 00:15:29,054 --> 00:15:33,058 Tyler was based on Tyler, 160 00:15:33,142 --> 00:15:36,103 a character in an old Walt Disney movie, Tyler Goes to the Circus, 161 00:15:37,646 --> 00:15:40,107 and Durden was someone who I worked with 162 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:46,488 who left the company under a really dark cloud of sexual harassment. 163 00:15:47,364 --> 00:15:49,658 And so Tyler Durden. 164 00:16:18,562 --> 00:16:21,023 (Jim) This exchange is important. 165 00:16:21,607 --> 00:16:25,527 They actually have this demented, unique thing in common. 166 00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:30,407 - (Chuck) Finishing each other's sentences? - I mean the lying about support groups. 167 00:16:30,741 --> 00:16:33,994 And that exchange, they admit 168 00:16:34,077 --> 00:16:37,080 they're sharing that fact that they both know what it's like. 169 00:16:37,748 --> 00:16:40,000 Because Jack, underneath it, subconsciously 170 00:16:40,083 --> 00:16:43,754 is attracted to Marla, 'cause she's similar to him. 171 00:16:44,087 --> 00:16:49,426 But she's so strange that he can't handle his attraction for her, so he rejects her. 172 00:16:50,427 --> 00:16:54,515 (Chuck) Well, I think too, Jack doesn't feel complete as an adult male. 173 00:16:54,806 --> 00:17:00,854 He doesn't feel he can commit at this point to any kind of a lifetime relationship, 174 00:17:01,063 --> 00:17:02,773 because he's not an adult. 175 00:17:18,956 --> 00:17:22,876 (Jim) It was good to take this out of the support-group environment 176 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,297 and put 'em out in the world, because it's such a bizarre conversation. 177 00:17:28,382 --> 00:17:31,426 (Chuck) It's not based on my friend Gretchen's Laundromat. 178 00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:35,055 Don't bother suing me, Gretchen. She was really angry about this part. 179 00:17:35,138 --> 00:17:39,434 She thought it would make it look like people stole stuff at her Laundromat. 180 00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:58,912 Now, did she grab him by the balls there? 181 00:17:58,996 --> 00:18:02,040 - (Jim) No, I think she stomps on his foot. - Oh, OK. 182 00:18:02,124 --> 00:18:04,668 (Jim) I guess it's left to your imagination, actually. 183 00:18:37,242 --> 00:18:41,663 I like how this is played, because you do get the sense 184 00:18:41,747 --> 00:18:44,499 that he doesn't want to break the connection with her. 185 00:18:45,542 --> 00:18:47,878 (Chuck) It's funny, with her in the traffic, 186 00:18:47,961 --> 00:18:50,797 you almost get the sense that she's the unreal one. 187 00:18:50,881 --> 00:18:57,346 Because a lot of people came up to me and thought Marla was a manifestation, 188 00:18:57,638 --> 00:19:00,474 that she was completely hallucinated. 189 00:19:29,670 --> 00:19:32,089 (Jim) The entirety of act one of this film 190 00:19:32,172 --> 00:19:38,345 really is like a long montage that explains Jack and his world. 191 00:19:39,471 --> 00:19:41,431 (Chuck) Where do you see act one ending? 192 00:19:42,766 --> 00:19:47,521 (Jim) Probably where the condo is blown up and he meets Tyler in the bar. 193 00:19:49,314 --> 00:19:50,941 I say probably. 194 00:19:51,108 --> 00:19:54,986 (Chuck) I know, because I've looked through it and I've watched it so many times 195 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:59,366 to try to figure it, segment it, dissect it, and it's not a real formula. 196 00:19:59,449 --> 00:20:00,826 (Jim) No, it isn't really. 197 00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:07,833 (Chuck) That's what going on book tour is like. You come away with 700 baby soaps. 198 00:20:20,804 --> 00:20:22,639 Was that number three Brad? 199 00:20:23,432 --> 00:20:25,475 - (Jim) I lost count. - Four. OK. 200 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:34,651 The infant went through the windshield. Three points. 201 00:20:37,154 --> 00:20:39,656 (Chuck) Was that supposed to sound so sick? 202 00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:42,993 Or is this supposed to be actually ha-ha funny? 203 00:20:43,702 --> 00:20:46,747 (Jim) I think the intention is to be sickly funny. 204 00:20:47,706 --> 00:20:51,376 (Chuck) I know people who do this and they do it as a defense mechanism, 205 00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:56,965 so that they don't become emotionally involved in investigating crashes. 206 00:20:57,507 --> 00:20:59,885 And it's fantastic that their humor is so dark. 207 00:21:24,993 --> 00:21:27,120 Which car company do you work for? 208 00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:33,126 (Jim) She basically asked the question that the audience had. 209 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:34,878 Didn't get any answers. 210 00:21:47,808 --> 00:21:52,312 (Chuck) I'm looking for the creamer packets. They must be going by too fast. 211 00:22:07,994 --> 00:22:10,831 Is it just me, or when you get seated there, 212 00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:14,668 do you want to pull that door open, just to see what will happen? 213 00:22:14,751 --> 00:22:19,297 - (Jim) I've actually reached for the knob. - You have? God, it's not just me. 214 00:22:39,025 --> 00:22:45,031 (Jim) One of the important things about this scene is, from the beginning until now, 215 00:22:45,115 --> 00:22:48,743 Jack has the authority of the film, 216 00:22:48,994 --> 00:22:52,998 because everything we experience is filtered through his commentary. 217 00:22:53,081 --> 00:22:57,711 It makes the other characters seem subordinate to him. 218 00:22:59,754 --> 00:23:02,465 So what actually needed to happen here was 219 00:23:03,133 --> 00:23:09,014 Tyler had to become superior to him as a character. 220 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:14,102 - And the exchange coming up... - (Chuck) About being clever. 221 00:23:15,312 --> 00:23:18,773 ..that was an attempt to transfer the power. 222 00:23:21,776 --> 00:23:25,488 (Chuck) It does, 'cause it really completely trivializes and mitigates 223 00:23:25,697 --> 00:23:28,033 everything that Jack does well. 224 00:23:32,662 --> 00:23:36,124 (Jim) So at that moment on, Tyler, 225 00:23:36,207 --> 00:23:40,045 even though Jack will comment about him in narration, 226 00:23:40,712 --> 00:23:44,215 Tyler really remains in a superior position as a character. 227 00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:49,429 (Chuck) And it undermines Jack's own value of his own cleverness. 228 00:23:50,347 --> 00:23:53,183 It's been sort of thrown in his face. 229 00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:08,949 Did David tell the story about how he first approached Brad about it? 230 00:24:09,032 --> 00:24:12,160 About how he sat on Brad's doorstep for five hours? 231 00:24:12,243 --> 00:24:16,039 The way David told it to me, when he had first read it, 232 00:24:16,247 --> 00:24:21,211 he was so excited about it that he went to New York to really pitch it to Brad. 233 00:24:21,378 --> 00:24:23,964 And Brad was filming Meet Joe Black at the time, 234 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:28,468 so David went to Brad's doorstep, in the East Village, somewhere in the Village, 235 00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:32,681 and sat on his doorstep for something like five hours until 1am, 236 00:24:32,764 --> 00:24:34,265 when Brad came home. 237 00:24:34,557 --> 00:24:36,643 David said, "We gotta make this movie. 238 00:24:36,726 --> 00:24:38,895 "We've been waiting for something like this." 239 00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:40,605 Brad was exhausted and said, 240 00:24:40,689 --> 00:24:43,650 "I don't want to be reading or hearing about anything." 241 00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:46,027 David said, "Let's just go out for a beer." 242 00:24:46,111 --> 00:24:49,489 They went out and had a beer and David pitched it like crazy. 243 00:24:49,572 --> 00:24:51,825 And Brad just finally agreed to take a look at it, 244 00:24:51,908 --> 00:24:54,744 based on how strong David felt about it. 245 00:24:55,036 --> 00:24:56,246 It's a nice story. 246 00:25:10,427 --> 00:25:13,346 I've got a lot of friends who work for airlines, 247 00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:18,768 and Mike and Janet, they're all telling me all of these details about throwers 248 00:25:19,227 --> 00:25:22,105 and vibrating luggage and all of it. 249 00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:28,528 (Jim) There was an experimental draft 250 00:25:28,611 --> 00:25:31,531 for about five seconds that didn't have narration. 251 00:25:32,073 --> 00:25:34,367 I always wanted narration because 252 00:25:34,451 --> 00:25:37,328 the book is funny and it's told from the first person. 253 00:25:37,454 --> 00:25:40,040 I felt that stuff had to be in, David did too. 254 00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:42,834 I can't remember the purpose of the experiment. 255 00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:45,170 It was probably just my own experiment. 256 00:25:45,253 --> 00:25:47,630 Fears that someone would say we can't do it. 257 00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:50,091 I don't know why. 258 00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:53,762 But there's a feeling that the studios will be against it, 259 00:25:53,845 --> 00:25:57,807 that something will slow down the action or something like that. 260 00:25:58,349 --> 00:26:02,729 But in this case it was invaluable to the telling of the story. 261 00:26:02,812 --> 00:26:04,856 (Chuck) It adds a different level. 262 00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:11,154 I was taught that big-voice narration shouldn't forward the plot. 263 00:26:11,946 --> 00:26:15,033 It should add philosophy, it should add outlook, 264 00:26:15,158 --> 00:26:19,120 but it should not add plot information - and it doesn't really. 265 00:26:19,204 --> 00:26:21,748 Without the narration we'd get the gist of the plot. 266 00:26:21,831 --> 00:26:23,208 We'd be able to follow the movie. 267 00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:25,585 The narration adds sort of a psychology 268 00:26:25,668 --> 00:26:28,505 and sort of a tone, more than anything else. 269 00:26:34,135 --> 00:26:36,554 I thought I had seen a version of this scene 270 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:40,183 where the doorman dogs him all the way to the phone booth 271 00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:43,645 and speaks over him while he's speaking on the phone. 272 00:26:43,937 --> 00:26:47,107 And it's a lot more similar to the scene in the book. 273 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:49,442 And then this is the scene I saw at the premiere. 274 00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:51,361 Did you see that other scene? 275 00:26:51,444 --> 00:26:56,908 (Jim) No, I know that that's how the scene was written originally. 276 00:26:57,242 --> 00:27:00,161 (Chuck) I think they shot it that other way at one point. 277 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:05,458 At this point, the doorman would still be there, 278 00:27:05,542 --> 00:27:08,837 saying vaguely threatening, vaguely profound things. 279 00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:20,723 This is based on friends who tried to peel their lino floor by soaking it with gasoline, 280 00:27:20,974 --> 00:27:23,810 and while they scraped up the gasoline-soaked lino, 281 00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:25,937 their refrigerator compressor clicked on 282 00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:28,690 and it exploded the whole kitchen out the back door. 283 00:27:28,857 --> 00:27:31,776 It just blasted them out into the back yard. 284 00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:57,427 (Jim) It's interesting that he called Marla first, 285 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,889 as a possibility of someone to connect with, 286 00:28:02,223 --> 00:28:04,434 hangs up and then calls Tyler. 287 00:28:04,893 --> 00:28:06,603 (Chuck) Why did he hang up? 288 00:28:08,646 --> 00:28:15,486 (Jim) I think it's a continuation of his fear of acknowledging his attraction to Marla. 289 00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:16,613 (Chuck) OK. 290 00:28:19,073 --> 00:28:24,120 Or he's somebody who cannot accept or request help. 291 00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:27,665 You know, he cannot request help from anybody. 292 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:30,043 He can't ask Tyler if he can stay at his house. 293 00:28:30,251 --> 00:28:33,463 And at this point, he is certainly not gonna ask a woman for help. 294 00:28:44,641 --> 00:28:47,518 (Jim) I love that he's eating while on the phone. 295 00:28:47,602 --> 00:28:50,104 (Chuck) It makes it less of a static interaction, 296 00:28:50,188 --> 00:28:52,482 because it's a man talking on a phone - 297 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,776 I mean, what else do you do with this? 298 00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:59,989 (Jim) But it's also his disregard for etiquette. 299 00:29:20,343 --> 00:29:23,054 It's just, when you buy furniture, 300 00:29:24,847 --> 00:29:28,268 "That's the last sofa I'll need. Whatever else happens..." 301 00:29:28,351 --> 00:29:32,689 (Chuck) I still remember - getting a sofa was equivalent to getting married. 302 00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:36,317 It was like one of those hurdles that made you an adult. 303 00:29:36,401 --> 00:29:39,821 And I just remember buying a sofa was a huge symbol to me. 304 00:29:47,954 --> 00:29:50,206 You didn't write this interaction, did you? 305 00:29:51,207 --> 00:29:56,671 (Jim) Some of it, but it contains, in addition, some improvisation. 306 00:29:58,214 --> 00:30:01,718 (Chuck) OK. Long story short, did you write the Martha Stewart line? 307 00:30:04,345 --> 00:30:07,348 (Jim) I believe that line is, "Fuck Martha Stewart". 308 00:30:08,808 --> 00:30:11,185 No, no, actually, I didn't. 309 00:30:25,825 --> 00:30:28,536 - Martha Stewart. - Fuck Martha Stewart. 310 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,832 She's polishing the brass on the "Titanic". It's all going down. 311 00:30:32,915 --> 00:30:37,045 So fuck off with your sofa units and Strinne green stripe patterns. 312 00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:39,172 I say never be complete. 313 00:30:39,589 --> 00:30:41,591 I say stop being perfect. 314 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:43,801 I say let's evolve. 315 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:46,679 Let the chips fall where they may. 316 00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:52,769 But that's me, and I could be wrong. Maybe it's a terrible tragedy. 317 00:30:52,852 --> 00:30:57,273 (Chuck) I think that's a really nice paper tiger thing to do, is to take a stand 318 00:30:57,482 --> 00:31:01,235 and then say, "Well, I might be totally fucked on this, OK?" 319 00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:06,699 So it doesn't sound so pedantic and strident. 320 00:31:06,783 --> 00:31:09,869 And so it looks like you have a choice if you accept that stand. 321 00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:25,510 My friends dictated the story. 322 00:31:25,968 --> 00:31:30,473 Almost everything Brad says, Ena said originally, especially if it's funny. 323 00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:34,936 Almost everything Tyler did, Jeff did originally. 324 00:31:37,021 --> 00:31:40,024 It's just incredible, my friend Alice taught me how to make soap. 325 00:31:40,775 --> 00:31:43,236 (Jim) You mean everything that Marla said in this? 326 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:47,156 - (Chuck) Yeah. Well, actually, everything... - Or both of them. 327 00:31:48,991 --> 00:31:55,456 (Chuck) Oh, the waiter stuff - Tyler - Jeff did. 328 00:31:55,998 --> 00:32:00,169 The splicing porno stuff, Mike did. 329 00:32:02,463 --> 00:32:06,092 I was a projectionist in high school and I never did that, 330 00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:10,012 but it was probably because I never had access to single frames. 331 00:32:10,096 --> 00:32:13,766 But my friend Mike was projectionist at the Jefferson Adult Theater 332 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:17,520 and so he had a huge collection of those single frames. 333 00:32:18,229 --> 00:32:20,898 And after that, whenever he got a union job, 334 00:32:20,982 --> 00:32:23,818 he would just splice them in wherever. 335 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,904 So those movies are still out there in circulation 336 00:32:28,197 --> 00:32:30,408 with Mike's little additions to 'em. 337 00:32:41,169 --> 00:32:43,754 Funny, I used to do this in high school, 338 00:32:43,838 --> 00:32:46,883 and I guess Fincher used to do this in high school too. 339 00:32:46,966 --> 00:32:52,722 And I still have nightmares, wake up in bed thinking I forgot a changeover. 340 00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:59,312 Even now, I'm watching movies on TV and I see the changeover dot, 341 00:32:59,395 --> 00:33:03,399 my whole body will tense up, and I'm not sure why my whole body is tensed up. 342 00:33:03,483 --> 00:33:06,194 And I realize I'm afraid I'm gonna miss a changeover. 343 00:33:11,908 --> 00:33:16,162 (Jim) But David and I talked about the way this information 344 00:33:16,245 --> 00:33:19,665 conventionally would have been conveyed as he got to know Tyler - 345 00:33:19,749 --> 00:33:23,503 he would show up and there'd be a scene in a projection booth. 346 00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:26,172 He would show up at the hotel and see him working. 347 00:33:26,255 --> 00:33:30,009 It seemed like it was a better idea to just stop the narrative 348 00:33:30,092 --> 00:33:34,180 and then do a little side informational piece about Tyler, 349 00:33:35,765 --> 00:33:39,769 'cause that fits with his sort of disjointed consciousness anyway. 350 00:33:41,521 --> 00:33:46,526 (Chuck) And it sort of fits in dissembling the medium of film 351 00:33:46,609 --> 00:33:49,612 and making fun of it, sort of from the outside, for a moment. 352 00:34:03,709 --> 00:34:08,339 This part is entirely made up. None of my friends did any of this part. 353 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:27,650 This is a scene that gets through a whole lot of book really quickly and effectively. 354 00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:32,697 So all that philosophy is distilled on three or four lines. 355 00:34:58,014 --> 00:34:59,640 Oh, I love that. 356 00:35:01,017 --> 00:35:04,854 I laugh at that every time I see this part. I love that part. 357 00:35:06,314 --> 00:35:09,150 (Jim) What I like about all of the fist fighting 358 00:35:09,233 --> 00:35:12,278 is it's so realistic sounding and looking. 359 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:15,990 (Chuck) And it's so clumsy. It's so klutzy. 360 00:35:19,535 --> 00:35:21,203 It's so unheroic. 361 00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:56,572 Now, this is so weird - drinking out of the same thing 362 00:35:58,032 --> 00:36:02,620 is sort of a shorthand for a love relationship in so many movies - 363 00:36:02,745 --> 00:36:05,498 that I couldn't believe they were sharing a beer. 364 00:36:05,581 --> 00:36:09,752 It just seemed like such a powerful symbol, metaphor. 365 00:36:19,261 --> 00:36:24,684 (Jim) At this point the audience is on board with them, enjoying the fighting, 366 00:36:24,767 --> 00:36:27,561 or else they're going to be left behind. 367 00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:32,566 This begins a sequence where parallel story elements 368 00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:35,069 had to progress at the same time 369 00:36:35,695 --> 00:36:39,949 to introduce the house, to introduce the fact that Jack is moving in, 370 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:47,289 show them get closer, but also cut to the escalation of the fighting 371 00:36:47,456 --> 00:36:50,710 until it turns into a movement of many people. 372 00:36:52,378 --> 00:36:56,132 This is in startling contrast to the condo. 373 00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:35,880 (Jim) It's natural that guys check out a fight and then discover that it's two friends. 374 00:37:59,570 --> 00:38:04,408 (Chuck) Now, it's interesting, you cut right from the two of them fighting 375 00:38:04,784 --> 00:38:08,829 to Brad fighting, Tyler fighting, a total stranger. 376 00:38:08,913 --> 00:38:11,499 You never have to deal with the transitional scene 377 00:38:11,582 --> 00:38:14,710 where a single guy fighting himself is approached for a fight. 378 00:38:57,211 --> 00:39:03,259 This was just, of course, a way of getting the emotional state into the narrative 379 00:39:03,759 --> 00:39:07,429 without having to say, "I felt so happy, I felt so angry." 380 00:39:07,972 --> 00:39:12,935 It was just a novel way of expressing emotional state at any one time. 381 00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:15,479 (Jim) Yeah, it's great. 382 00:39:28,617 --> 00:39:30,995 (Tyler) If you could choose, who would you fight? 383 00:39:31,078 --> 00:39:33,205 I'd fight my boss, probably. 384 00:39:33,289 --> 00:39:34,456 Really? 385 00:39:35,332 --> 00:39:38,711 - Yeah. Why? Who would you fight? - I'd fight my dad. 386 00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,754 I don't know my dad. 387 00:39:40,838 --> 00:39:44,633 I mean, I know him, but he left when I was, like, six years old. 388 00:39:44,717 --> 00:39:49,305 Married this other woman and had some other kids. He did this every six years. 389 00:39:49,388 --> 00:39:53,225 - He moves city and starts a new family. - Fucker's setting up franchises. 390 00:39:53,309 --> 00:39:57,646 (Chuck) That "franchise" line always gets a laugh when I read it from the book. 391 00:39:58,272 --> 00:40:00,649 People really get that instantly. 392 00:40:00,858 --> 00:40:05,487 And you take it a step further and make a connection to franchising fight clubs, 393 00:40:05,571 --> 00:40:07,615 which I felt was really, really sweet. 394 00:40:08,741 --> 00:40:14,788 (Jim) This was a section of the book where all of the confession 395 00:40:14,872 --> 00:40:17,833 about the relationship with the father was Jack's, 396 00:40:17,917 --> 00:40:23,088 but we decided to have both of them have... they split it up, 397 00:40:23,172 --> 00:40:27,676 so that it's emphasizing the similar background. 398 00:41:10,552 --> 00:41:15,140 (Chuck) It's funny, I wrote Fight Club in a lot of these meetings exactly like this, 399 00:41:15,224 --> 00:41:19,353 where I could sit there and write away when people thought I was taking notes. 400 00:41:32,366 --> 00:41:36,412 And that sort of fake camaraderie just still makes me cringe. 401 00:42:19,455 --> 00:42:21,540 (Jim) A bar is the archetypal place where 402 00:42:21,623 --> 00:42:24,209 you're supposed to fight and get into a brawl, 403 00:42:24,293 --> 00:42:31,175 so it's interesting that a bunch of men go to the basement and have a secret brawl. 404 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:37,056 (Chuck) Well, I thought alcohol had to be a real key part of it, 405 00:42:39,141 --> 00:42:43,729 because of the reason, you know, so many people have to have alcohol to have sex, 406 00:42:43,812 --> 00:42:47,066 so it seemed natural that people would have to have alcohol 407 00:42:47,149 --> 00:42:49,693 to do something like fight the first time. 408 00:43:24,144 --> 00:43:27,106 It's funny, I remember the day I wrote the rules, 409 00:43:27,189 --> 00:43:30,025 I just needed, like, eight transitional devices 410 00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:34,822 to splice together really short, tiny scenes 411 00:43:34,905 --> 00:43:37,324 and make a short story out of these scenes. 412 00:43:37,616 --> 00:43:41,120 I thought, "Non-fiction transitional device - how about a rule?" 413 00:43:41,203 --> 00:43:43,205 So the rules became the transition. 414 00:43:43,288 --> 00:43:46,333 You could go anywhere if you came back to a rule. 415 00:44:30,752 --> 00:44:35,048 A guy came to Fight Club for the first time, his ass was a wad of cookie dough. 416 00:44:35,132 --> 00:44:40,012 (Chuck) Why'd you make it "cookie dough"? It was "white bread" in the book. 417 00:44:40,262 --> 00:44:42,139 Did you think that was racist? 418 00:44:42,222 --> 00:44:46,435 (Jim) No, I didn't. I guess "cookie dough" just sounded funnier to me. 419 00:45:24,681 --> 00:45:28,769 That scene, actually, had Jack say, "I could take him." 420 00:45:28,852 --> 00:45:31,605 (Chuck) Right, I remember that in the screenplay. 421 00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:34,358 I didn't like that 'cause I thought it sort of took 422 00:45:34,441 --> 00:45:36,860 the hostility of Fight Club out of Fight Club. 423 00:45:36,944 --> 00:45:39,780 And I was glad that they cut that line, 424 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,410 'cause I wanted to show the hostility being vented and exhausted in Fight Club 425 00:45:45,494 --> 00:45:47,704 and not coming out into the real world. 426 00:45:47,788 --> 00:45:51,208 (Jim) Right. Well, it wasn't intended to be hostile, 427 00:45:51,291 --> 00:45:57,714 it was intended to be more... he knew that about himself. 428 00:46:57,107 --> 00:47:00,402 - Could this house look any worse? - (Chuck) No, but it's funny. 429 00:47:02,487 --> 00:47:04,865 It spooked my friends and I who were at the set 430 00:47:04,948 --> 00:47:07,868 because it looks so much like my friend Jeff's house. 431 00:47:07,951 --> 00:47:11,872 It was based in the book on Jeff's house. The kitchen is just like Jeff's. 432 00:47:11,955 --> 00:47:15,334 (Jim) I remember you told me that when I was on the set with you. 433 00:47:15,417 --> 00:47:17,127 (Chuck) It was uncanny. 434 00:47:21,798 --> 00:47:25,177 And this whole sequence here, where Marla gets saved, 435 00:47:25,385 --> 00:47:29,848 is based on my friend Kevin, who's on step 11 of his 12 steps, 436 00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:33,935 and his girlfriend OD'd at a downtown hotel and he couldn't go save her, 437 00:47:34,019 --> 00:47:36,772 so he called me and asked if I would go down 438 00:47:36,855 --> 00:47:38,940 and collect her and get her to a hospital. 439 00:47:39,441 --> 00:47:43,737 And so, I ended up dragging her out of the hospital just like Marla is getting drug out. 440 00:47:44,946 --> 00:47:48,075 It's sort of sweet watching it on the screen. 441 00:47:48,158 --> 00:47:50,118 At that time, it wasn't quite so funny. 442 00:47:51,286 --> 00:47:53,455 - Really? - It's for men only. 443 00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:54,539 Like the testicle thing? 444 00:47:54,623 --> 00:47:59,378 That is the funniest line in the movie. I love that - "Like the testicle thing?" 445 00:48:35,705 --> 00:48:37,332 (Jim) He can't even hang up on her. 446 00:48:39,334 --> 00:48:41,670 (Chuck) In a way, he never wants to cut that cord. 447 00:48:41,753 --> 00:48:44,464 He doesn't want to offend her outright. 448 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,245 It's funny how you never used to see condoms. 449 00:49:16,163 --> 00:49:19,166 I mean, they're almost like this antiquated thing. 450 00:49:19,249 --> 00:49:23,003 And suddenly now, in the last 10 years, they're everywhere - 451 00:49:23,128 --> 00:49:26,256 in the streets, on the sidewalks, on the bus. 452 00:49:26,631 --> 00:49:30,010 There's just condoms everywhere outside, thrown away. 453 00:49:34,598 --> 00:49:39,352 (Jim) This is the first of several scenes that have to work on two levels, 454 00:49:41,021 --> 00:49:45,108 where it seems as if it's - to us, and to Jack - 455 00:49:46,401 --> 00:49:49,654 that he's just annoyed that she's here, telling her to go. 456 00:49:49,738 --> 00:49:54,284 And she gets mad at him for acting that way toward her. 457 00:49:54,576 --> 00:49:59,831 But in reality, of course, Marla knows. Marla sees them as the same person. 458 00:50:01,041 --> 00:50:04,753 And the person she made love to last night is rejecting her the next morning. 459 00:50:34,824 --> 00:50:38,537 (Chuck) I thought this countdown thing was a really nice transition, 460 00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:41,957 a way of keeping the dialog going between the two. 461 00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:44,918 (Jim) That was David's idea. 462 00:50:47,212 --> 00:50:49,172 (Marla)... five, four, three... 463 00:51:06,565 --> 00:51:07,899 (Chuck) I thought she had a really sort of 464 00:51:07,983 --> 00:51:11,111 fucked-up Lucille Ball quality in a lot of this. 465 00:51:18,535 --> 00:51:21,746 I couldn't believe that you kept the dildo in this scene either. 466 00:51:32,674 --> 00:51:33,758 This part, I love. 467 00:51:33,842 --> 00:51:38,054 Anytime you get a character to talk about themselves in the third person, 468 00:51:38,138 --> 00:51:42,434 they can say the most appalling things because they're talking about themselves. 469 00:51:42,767 --> 00:51:45,437 Otherwise, you completely lose sympathy, 470 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,609 so she can completely reveal herself and belittle herself, 471 00:51:51,026 --> 00:51:54,446 and tell the truth about herself because it's third person. 472 00:51:54,821 --> 00:51:59,075 - You have every reason to live. - She's infectious human waste! 473 00:52:11,504 --> 00:52:15,050 (Chuck) Is that liposuction fat in the fridge in the background? 474 00:52:16,176 --> 00:52:18,386 (Jim) Well, actually, I don't know. 475 00:52:54,172 --> 00:52:56,549 I haven't been fucked like that since grade school. 476 00:52:56,633 --> 00:52:59,302 - (Chuck) Did you come up with that line? - No, it's David's. 477 00:52:59,928 --> 00:53:02,806 (Chuck) I heard that the studio begged him to change it back 478 00:53:02,889 --> 00:53:05,183 'cause they thought that was even more offensive. 479 00:53:07,894 --> 00:53:10,605 (Jim) In the book, she said, "I want to have your abortion." 480 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,527 (Chuck) At the publishing party, all my friends had these buttons made that said, 481 00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:17,779 "I wanna have Tyler Durden's abortion." 482 00:53:17,862 --> 00:53:20,824 It was, like, 300 people all wearing this button. 483 00:53:22,867 --> 00:53:25,662 You say anything about me or what goes on in this house 484 00:53:25,745 --> 00:53:28,039 to her or anybody, we're done. 485 00:53:29,499 --> 00:53:31,418 - Now, promise me. - OK. 486 00:53:31,584 --> 00:53:33,211 - You promise? - I promise. 487 00:53:33,294 --> 00:53:35,755 - Promise. - I just said, I promise! What... 488 00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:38,174 That's three times you promised. 489 00:53:41,928 --> 00:53:46,349 (Chuck) So that's based on the interaction with Christ. 490 00:53:47,308 --> 00:53:50,895 - Who is it that betrays Christ three times? - (Jim) Peter. 491 00:53:57,485 --> 00:53:59,738 (Chuck) I thought it was ironic that the movie that 492 00:53:59,821 --> 00:54:03,324 shows violence honestly and frankly 493 00:54:03,783 --> 00:54:07,495 has all the sex occur offstage. I thought that was terrific. 494 00:54:17,172 --> 00:54:20,717 (Jim) Tyler and Jack have created kind of a monk-like existence. 495 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,678 They've honed a Spartan way of living. 496 00:54:24,345 --> 00:54:30,435 Marla's invasion of it is more threatening even than her invasion of support groups. 497 00:54:30,518 --> 00:54:35,899 Because if she can cheapen and belittle Fight Club, he's lost everything. 498 00:54:40,945 --> 00:54:43,865 But also, subconsciously, 499 00:54:44,824 --> 00:54:47,118 he wants to be Marla's lover. 500 00:54:47,827 --> 00:54:49,037 He's actually jealous of both of 'em 501 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,956 because he also wants all of Tyler's attention. 502 00:55:01,216 --> 00:55:04,761 (Chuck) It's funny because haikus seem like the most cliché, 503 00:55:05,428 --> 00:55:08,264 quote, unquote, Zen thing that you could have. 504 00:55:08,348 --> 00:55:13,019 And so, I was trying to make fun of Zen enlightenment 505 00:55:13,102 --> 00:55:18,733 and half-understood, half-baked sort of Zen ideas that people keep expounding, 506 00:55:19,192 --> 00:55:22,612 so I wrote the worst haikus I could possibly think of. 507 00:55:24,948 --> 00:55:26,199 I always write in public. 508 00:55:26,282 --> 00:55:30,161 I just wrote two chapters at Macy's over here in Century City. 509 00:55:30,245 --> 00:55:36,376 I need that distraction, or I get too bogged down and nothing is ever good enough, 510 00:55:37,085 --> 00:55:39,671 unless something is always distracting me. 511 00:55:39,754 --> 00:55:45,260 (Jim) I have to be completely secluded like a monk and have total concentration, 512 00:55:45,885 --> 00:55:48,429 writing in an office away from home. 513 00:55:49,597 --> 00:55:52,851 (Chuck) Everything is freehand, done with a pen and notebooks. 514 00:55:52,934 --> 00:55:58,857 But I do have one of those... What's it called? Final Edit... Final Draft. 515 00:55:58,982 --> 00:56:04,112 I've got Final Draft, so I can do it the professional way someday. 516 00:56:21,713 --> 00:56:23,590 - The dynamite... - Dynamite? 517 00:56:23,673 --> 00:56:27,385 ...left a residue of ammonium oxalate potassium perchloride. 518 00:56:37,812 --> 00:56:40,773 My little brother, Matt, came up with all of this, 519 00:56:40,857 --> 00:56:45,987 all the formulas for dynamite and plastique and napalm. 520 00:56:46,487 --> 00:56:49,198 He's a chemical engineer for Chevron. 521 00:56:49,824 --> 00:56:53,912 So he came up with all of these details when he was visiting me one weekend. 522 00:57:02,128 --> 00:57:05,924 Now, I want to know, see the phone? The phones in this house? 523 00:57:06,674 --> 00:57:08,718 How did Tyler star-69 him? 524 00:57:10,178 --> 00:57:13,932 They're all rotary dial phones. There isn't a push-button phone. 525 00:57:14,015 --> 00:57:16,100 (Jim) You're not supposed to point that out. 526 00:57:16,184 --> 00:57:18,269 Excuse me, Dr. Continuity. 527 00:57:22,523 --> 00:57:26,945 (Jim) What's interesting is he's covering for himself, fearing he's a suspect. 528 00:57:27,028 --> 00:57:30,865 And in reality, he did do it and doesn't even know he did it. 529 00:57:31,115 --> 00:57:34,661 (Chuck) Well, that's just too much. I can't understand that one. 530 00:57:35,536 --> 00:57:39,040 On another level he's trying to rationalize blowing it up to himself, 531 00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:41,542 while he's denying blowing it up. 532 00:57:51,552 --> 00:57:55,515 Except for their humping, Tyler and Marla were never in the same room. 533 00:57:55,598 --> 00:57:58,476 My parents pulled this exact same act for years. 534 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,229 (Chuck) My mother was really offended by that line. 535 00:58:45,398 --> 00:58:51,195 (Jim) To the audience, this is a continuation of an arc that Marla is trying to add Jack 536 00:58:51,279 --> 00:58:54,866 as an additional lover while she's having sex with Tyler. 537 00:58:56,993 --> 00:58:59,370 But in reality, it's one and the same person. 538 00:58:59,454 --> 00:59:00,538 (Chuck) Right. 539 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:13,843 There's an undercurrent, like her alluding to him wearing the dress, 540 00:59:13,926 --> 00:59:17,638 her asking if it was a man or a woman that kissed his hand. 541 00:59:18,014 --> 00:59:23,561 You know, in a way, she's reinforcing this possible homoerotic thing on the side. 542 00:59:33,988 --> 00:59:35,490 Gotta get off 543 00:59:36,407 --> 00:59:37,742 Thanks. Bye. 544 00:59:37,825 --> 00:59:42,121 Gotta get off of this merry-go-round 545 00:59:42,622 --> 00:59:45,833 David was saying, "Thank God Valley of the Dolls was a Fox movie." 546 00:59:45,917 --> 00:59:48,920 Or otherwise, there's no way they could have used that song. 547 00:59:53,674 --> 00:59:56,260 Just for the record, I've got a pitch. 548 00:59:56,344 --> 01:00:02,100 Amy and Dennis, my friends who run the website "chuckpalahniuk.com", 549 01:00:02,391 --> 01:00:06,187 which I am not promoting, because it's about me... 550 01:00:06,521 --> 01:00:10,024 But what the hell? Amy and Dennis really want it pitched, so... 551 01:00:27,041 --> 01:00:30,545 (Jim) The book had them 552 01:00:30,711 --> 01:00:34,882 getting liposuction fat from Marla's mother. 553 01:00:37,009 --> 01:00:42,640 (Chuck) This is perfect. This is fast. This is not that whole side trip. 554 01:00:45,226 --> 01:00:48,312 It's funny because this whole part came from my sister. 555 01:00:48,396 --> 01:00:50,731 My friend Alice taught me how to make soap. 556 01:00:50,815 --> 01:00:53,067 That afternoon, my sister called from Canada 557 01:00:53,151 --> 01:00:54,861 to say how the Canadian government 558 01:00:54,944 --> 01:00:58,447 couldn't incinerate liposuction fat fast enough, 559 01:00:58,614 --> 01:01:02,076 and it was all piling up in trucks outside of Calgary. 560 01:01:02,243 --> 01:01:05,121 And I thought, "Why don't they just make it into soap?" 561 01:01:05,204 --> 01:01:07,874 I can't believe what a bashing I've taken, 562 01:01:07,957 --> 01:01:12,086 in terms of people claiming that I'm making fun of the Holocaust, 563 01:01:13,254 --> 01:01:16,299 because I never really made that connection. 564 01:01:16,924 --> 01:01:20,219 But a lot of other people sure grabbed hold of that. 565 01:01:21,345 --> 01:01:24,849 (Jim) Well, I mean, I think that's quite a leap to make, 566 01:01:24,932 --> 01:01:29,937 because they're stealing fat that has been voluntarily sucked off someone's body. 567 01:01:33,691 --> 01:01:36,277 (Chuck) And it's funny, that "Boy Scout" line 568 01:01:36,444 --> 01:01:39,447 had to acknowledge that Tyler had a background 569 01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:41,199 and knew how to make this stuff. 570 01:01:41,532 --> 01:01:43,993 So the "Boy Scout" line was just a throwaway way to establish 571 01:01:44,076 --> 01:01:46,621 his nebulous authority. 572 01:01:50,917 --> 01:01:54,545 Ancient peoples found clothes got cleaner when washed in one part of the river. 573 01:01:56,339 --> 01:01:59,634 (Chuck) And this old Hindu legend about the human sacrifices 574 01:01:59,717 --> 01:02:03,596 is really what it's based on - it's a great old story. 575 01:02:07,183 --> 01:02:09,185 This is lye. The crucial ingredient. 576 01:02:09,268 --> 01:02:14,398 Once it mixed with the melted body fat, a soapy discharge crept into the river. 577 01:02:28,955 --> 01:02:34,919 (Chuck) Now, Julie, who did the make-up, she made all of these kiss burns. 578 01:02:35,503 --> 01:02:38,547 She was gonna bring them to us so we could wear them to the premiere 579 01:02:38,631 --> 01:02:42,593 and we could all have Tyler's kiss on our hands, but she forgot. 580 01:02:50,810 --> 01:02:54,105 (Jim) One thing I like about how this translated to film 581 01:02:54,563 --> 01:02:59,277 is that Tyler comes across as very dangerous, actually. 582 01:02:59,777 --> 01:03:03,781 And he's deadly serious about his ideas. 583 01:03:15,543 --> 01:03:18,921 (Chuck) In a way, this is sort of a real turning point in the movie, 584 01:03:19,005 --> 01:03:24,719 where it stops being so much a comedy as it is a drama. 585 01:03:28,889 --> 01:03:33,227 And the extended metaphor about fathers and God, 586 01:03:35,479 --> 01:03:39,358 boy, I don't know, that has really struck a chord with so many people, 587 01:03:39,567 --> 01:03:41,444 and I really have to wonder, 588 01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:46,824 people without a presence of a father, if they can ever have a presence of God. 589 01:03:47,366 --> 01:03:51,579 Or is it just gonna be a projection of every way that their father has failed them? 590 01:03:53,331 --> 01:03:55,875 And this is such a sweet place to put it in 591 01:03:55,958 --> 01:03:59,503 because you have an intense idea on top of an intense interaction. 592 01:04:20,232 --> 01:04:23,736 (Jim) I like the line from the book, "This isn't a weekend retreat." 593 01:04:23,819 --> 01:04:26,322 Within the parameters of civilization, 594 01:04:26,405 --> 01:04:29,658 we put bandages on things that are wrong with us, 595 01:04:29,742 --> 01:04:34,080 and a weekend retreat, we go to that for feeling too empty. 596 01:04:34,705 --> 01:04:39,752 And Tyler, his vision is that civilization itself 597 01:04:39,835 --> 01:04:43,172 is the cancer that has to be cut away ultimately. 598 01:04:45,841 --> 01:04:50,179 (Chuck) It's funny because Fight Club, in a way, is a seminar or a weekend retreat. 599 01:04:50,262 --> 01:04:53,599 It's a way to have two hours of chaos 600 01:04:53,724 --> 01:04:57,520 that you can pencil in to your schedule and walk away from. 601 01:04:58,813 --> 01:05:02,149 (Jim) Which is why Tyler eventually has to make it go to Project Mayhem. 602 01:05:02,233 --> 01:05:03,734 (Chuck) Exactly. Yeah. 603 01:05:06,028 --> 01:05:08,114 This is my worst nightmare, 604 01:05:08,197 --> 01:05:12,743 was that I would somehow leave a page of a sex scene in the copy machine at work 605 01:05:12,827 --> 01:05:16,497 the night before workshop, and that someone would find it. 606 01:05:26,674 --> 01:05:32,096 (Jim) I wanted the boss to say, "Make a managerial decision" condescendingly, 607 01:05:32,179 --> 01:05:37,685 because it sets him up to be blindsided with this unexpected attack. 608 01:05:46,610 --> 01:05:49,572 (Chuck) And it's sweet because it allows, once more, 609 01:05:49,655 --> 01:05:52,116 a character to talk about themselves 610 01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:56,787 in the third person subjective, just in case. 611 01:05:58,747 --> 01:06:03,335 But to talk about it in such detail that you know that it's not subjective. 612 01:06:14,555 --> 01:06:18,350 Now, I was curious. Why did you retain this next scene, 613 01:06:18,434 --> 01:06:20,019 the breast examination scene? 614 01:06:20,102 --> 01:06:22,021 Just because it's intimate or... 615 01:06:23,564 --> 01:06:26,692 (Jim) Well, this is another scene that works on two levels. 616 01:06:28,235 --> 01:06:32,490 On one level, to the audience who doesn't know yet the secret of the movie, 617 01:06:32,573 --> 01:06:39,163 it's Marla continuing to make a play for the other guy. 618 01:06:40,289 --> 01:06:43,584 She's Tyler's lover, but she's still making a play for Jack. 619 01:06:43,667 --> 01:06:49,757 But the emotional reality for Marla is, this is one and the same person, 620 01:06:50,257 --> 01:06:54,011 and she's trying to connect with him on a more sensitive level. 621 01:06:54,094 --> 01:06:56,222 Showing her vulnerability. 622 01:06:56,597 --> 01:07:01,435 And in the daytime, which is unusual for them, so she turns it into a seduction. 623 01:07:16,951 --> 01:07:22,414 (Chuck) It's interesting how Helena's look sort of gradually softens. 624 01:07:22,957 --> 01:07:27,044 From the first time we see her completely inhuman in sunglasses, 625 01:07:27,586 --> 01:07:30,339 and her hair is gradually softer and softer, 626 01:07:30,422 --> 01:07:35,427 until, you know, she comes up in the cloth coat in that really heartbreaking scene. 627 01:08:25,853 --> 01:08:31,191 (Jim) The fact that Bob is involved with Fight Club is significant 628 01:08:31,275 --> 01:08:34,653 because it reinforces the idea that Fight Club 629 01:08:35,863 --> 01:08:41,243 is more emotionally or psychologically empowering than a support group. 630 01:08:41,869 --> 01:08:45,122 Because Bob really does have cancer and really is dying. 631 01:08:45,205 --> 01:08:47,791 And he's better than he's ever been. 632 01:08:50,878 --> 01:08:55,716 (Chuck) And in a way, Bob going to this other support group 633 01:08:55,883 --> 01:08:58,844 and having a whole different relationship with Tyler 634 01:09:00,012 --> 01:09:03,057 is the equivalent of Marla stealing Tyler away. 635 01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:06,101 Bob, in his way, is stealing Fight Club away, 636 01:09:06,393 --> 01:09:10,731 because now we get the idea that Fight Club is doing things behind Jack's back. 637 01:09:23,410 --> 01:09:28,165 (Jim) I think it's great that they're fighting, 'cause we saw them in the beginning 638 01:09:28,248 --> 01:09:32,628 hugging and doing the normal support group thing, and here they are fighting. 639 01:09:32,711 --> 01:09:36,131 (Chuck) And now we see a character that was just pathetic 640 01:09:36,298 --> 01:09:41,011 suddenly a victor and inflicting injury on someone else. 641 01:10:17,548 --> 01:10:19,883 It's funny because, early on, 642 01:10:19,967 --> 01:10:25,514 some reviews really thought that these speeches were didactic 643 01:10:25,764 --> 01:10:28,142 and heavy-handed and soapboxy, 644 01:10:28,726 --> 01:10:33,021 but I just feel like a character has to say something. 645 01:10:33,313 --> 01:10:37,693 Even if it's a stupid something, a character has to stand for something, 646 01:10:37,860 --> 01:10:40,738 and has to risk saying the wrong thing. 647 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:46,493 Even if it's just so somebody else can step forward and say, "Oh, that's full of shit." 648 01:10:46,702 --> 01:10:48,912 At least they're saying something, 649 01:10:48,996 --> 01:10:52,708 and, you know, taking responsibility for their viewpoint, 650 01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:56,462 which is really what Tyler's speeches were about - 651 01:10:57,838 --> 01:11:03,177 expressing himself even more so than sort of coming up with a vision or a dream. 652 01:11:17,065 --> 01:11:18,776 (Jim) His performance of it is so good, 653 01:11:18,859 --> 01:11:24,239 it's hard to pass it off as being didactic. 654 01:11:25,866 --> 01:11:29,661 (Chuck) And it's a nice lull, it's a nice setup to what happens next, 655 01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:33,081 because what happens next is so intense. 656 01:12:35,686 --> 01:12:39,314 It's funny because I think there's something so empowering 657 01:12:39,606 --> 01:12:43,610 in being able to sort of throw yourself away like this 658 01:12:44,194 --> 01:12:47,406 and just laugh and accept what is happening. 659 01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:51,118 You know, that seems so much of Tyler's message. 660 01:12:52,369 --> 01:12:55,664 (Jim) Yes, he's able to get beaten up 661 01:12:55,747 --> 01:12:58,709 and still ultimately get what he wants from the person. 662 01:12:58,792 --> 01:13:03,463 (Chuck) And realize that allowing himself to be beaten 663 01:13:03,755 --> 01:13:06,174 is sort of a service to Lou. 664 01:13:06,592 --> 01:13:10,512 It's letting Lou express something and get something out of his system, 665 01:13:10,596 --> 01:13:12,723 and, you know, it takes two people. 666 01:13:14,725 --> 01:13:19,062 And so it's sort of perfect that this is before the project assignment, 667 01:13:19,187 --> 01:13:21,648 where they go out to lose a fight. 668 01:13:43,921 --> 01:13:46,673 It's funny, when so many people said 669 01:13:46,757 --> 01:13:49,176 they thought for sure that fight clubs would start, 670 01:13:49,551 --> 01:13:54,890 I don't think anybody is gonna want to be exposed to the blood of strangers. 671 01:13:55,807 --> 01:13:58,143 I thought that would be the big issue. 672 01:13:59,770 --> 01:14:03,106 The first time I saw this, I was just freaked 673 01:14:03,190 --> 01:14:05,984 when Brad said, "You don't know where I've been." 674 01:14:06,068 --> 01:14:09,655 Because the whole blood phobia thing is just right there. 675 01:14:13,367 --> 01:14:17,788 (Jim) Not only has he gotten what he wants by allowing himself to be beaten up, 676 01:14:19,206 --> 01:14:23,543 but his Zen-like endurance of the pain elevates him, I think, to... 677 01:14:23,877 --> 01:14:29,466 This is the beginning of elevating him to a messianic level with the other members. 678 01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:32,511 (Chuck) It is a real martyrdom thing. 679 01:15:00,288 --> 01:15:03,208 It's funny, everybody loves this sequence - 680 01:15:04,751 --> 01:15:06,294 its humor. 681 01:15:16,471 --> 01:15:18,473 OK, I love this part. 682 01:15:19,057 --> 01:15:23,186 I can't believe when he sprays the Bible. I mean, this is just like... 683 01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:26,106 Even I cringe when I see that. 684 01:16:08,148 --> 01:16:12,152 - You're up for review. - I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. 685 01:16:13,945 --> 01:16:17,866 (Jim) I wanted him to say one of those narration lines aloud 686 01:16:18,492 --> 01:16:20,869 to show the level of contempt 687 01:16:21,661 --> 01:16:24,915 for everyone around him by this point in the movie. 688 01:17:14,172 --> 01:17:19,761 (Chuck) You know, it's Edward's ability to do this that makes so much... 689 01:17:20,137 --> 01:17:23,223 I mean, 80% of making the whole thing plausible 690 01:17:23,473 --> 01:17:26,268 is his ability to prove it in this scene. 691 01:17:40,907 --> 01:17:42,742 In a really sick way, 692 01:17:44,452 --> 01:17:48,415 "This is how Jerry Lewis would do it if Jerry Lewis was doing these things." 693 01:18:04,431 --> 01:18:09,853 I thought this was more about breaking things than it was about hurting himself, 694 01:18:10,437 --> 01:18:13,231 because it's just so much fun to bust stuff. 695 01:18:13,315 --> 01:18:15,692 You can bust it in a big way. 696 01:18:18,069 --> 01:18:20,614 And then, to use blood like a prop, 697 01:18:22,032 --> 01:18:27,787 to get past the fact that it's your own blood and be able to just really toss it off. 698 01:18:53,355 --> 01:18:58,276 (Jim) What's funny about that moment is he's leaving with a shopping cart. 699 01:18:59,444 --> 01:19:03,156 How did he get a shopping cart in a place of business? 700 01:19:03,406 --> 01:19:07,369 - I don't think you even ask that question. - (Chuck) No, I never thought about that. 701 01:19:10,997 --> 01:19:13,333 I always missed it until I knew, 702 01:19:13,416 --> 01:19:19,631 but this is the seminary student whose Bible got sprayed. 703 01:19:34,521 --> 01:19:35,605 I can't believe how many guys 704 01:19:36,773 --> 01:19:38,275 have said that scene 705 01:19:38,358 --> 01:19:42,279 was the scene that really choked them up, where the two guys hug. 706 01:19:42,362 --> 01:19:46,574 You know, that really hits a chord in a lot of really young guys. They love that scene. 707 01:20:02,340 --> 01:20:07,429 (Jim) I like the totally random quality of the things they select to do. 708 01:20:11,599 --> 01:20:13,518 It's truly mayhem. 709 01:20:16,938 --> 01:20:19,065 (Chuck) It's sort of focus-less. 710 01:20:19,983 --> 01:20:23,069 It doesn't really victimize any certain person. 711 01:20:24,904 --> 01:20:29,367 They're not attacks on people as much as they are attacks on property, 712 01:20:29,451 --> 01:20:31,494 primarily luxury property. 713 01:20:33,705 --> 01:20:36,124 Why did they leave that one? 714 01:20:37,042 --> 01:20:39,878 Why did they leave that? Why not that car? 715 01:20:42,047 --> 01:20:46,217 And it's funny, one guy wrote down all the names that are listed of cities 716 01:20:46,301 --> 01:20:48,803 and figured out that it is Wilmington, Delaware. 717 01:20:49,471 --> 01:20:53,266 Because all the cities that are cited are Delaware cities around Wilmington. 718 01:20:54,059 --> 01:20:57,520 When they talk about Penns Grove and all those little towns. 719 01:20:57,604 --> 01:21:02,817 (Jim) We originally wanted to positively identify the city as Wilmington 720 01:21:03,026 --> 01:21:06,988 'cause that's where all the credit card companies are incorporated. 721 01:21:53,660 --> 01:21:57,497 In the book, this was Jack who did this to the clerk. 722 01:21:59,624 --> 01:22:06,047 But it seemed like he's not that far along, 723 01:22:06,131 --> 01:22:10,051 he's not quite as on board enough to do that. 724 01:22:13,179 --> 01:22:17,475 Perhaps it'd be better to have him witness Tyler doing it to somebody. 725 01:22:17,642 --> 01:22:21,020 (Chuck) Yeah, he stays a lot more of a sympathetic character by doing it. 726 01:22:22,689 --> 01:22:24,232 (Jim) And by now, 727 01:22:26,025 --> 01:22:30,280 it's important to start to show a dissociation beginning. 728 01:22:31,698 --> 01:22:36,119 (Chuck) And it's funny because so many people identify with Tyler in this scene, 729 01:22:36,327 --> 01:22:38,788 and they see the scene as empowering. 730 01:22:38,872 --> 01:22:40,832 People are always coming to me and saying 731 01:22:40,915 --> 01:22:44,544 this is the chapter that made them go and get their master's degree. 732 01:22:44,794 --> 01:22:46,671 They really loved this scene. 733 01:22:48,673 --> 01:22:52,218 More people identify with Tyler at this point than with Jack. 734 01:22:52,302 --> 01:22:54,596 (Jim) Yeah, that's true. That's true. 735 01:22:59,392 --> 01:23:02,520 - So you need more schooling. - Too much school. 736 01:23:02,687 --> 01:23:04,481 - Would you rather be dead? - No, please... 737 01:23:04,564 --> 01:23:08,902 You'd rather die here, on your knees, in the back of a convenience store? 738 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:11,863 (whimpers) No. Please, no. 739 01:23:15,241 --> 01:23:17,243 I'm keeping your license. 740 01:23:18,244 --> 01:23:21,164 Gonna check in on you. I know where you live. 741 01:23:22,081 --> 01:23:25,168 If you're not on your way to being a veterinarian in six weeks, 742 01:23:25,251 --> 01:23:26,586 you will be dead. 743 01:23:34,469 --> 01:23:35,887 (Chuck) Now, was that improv? 744 01:23:36,596 --> 01:23:38,139 (Jim) Yeah, that was. 745 01:24:17,387 --> 01:24:19,806 (Chuck) My friend Bryan explained the whole process of 746 01:24:19,889 --> 01:24:24,310 drilling vacuum tubes, the VDTs, 747 01:24:24,394 --> 01:24:28,731 so that you could fill them with gasoline. That was just so meticulous. 748 01:24:28,856 --> 01:24:30,483 So, thank you, Bryan. 749 01:24:47,625 --> 01:24:50,587 You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world. 750 01:24:53,172 --> 01:24:58,011 (Chuck) That's Carsten's line. My friend, Carsten, he's German. 751 01:24:58,177 --> 01:25:01,723 He described everything as all-singing and all-dancing for a long time. 752 01:25:06,185 --> 01:25:10,440 (Jim) Now, this scene needed to work on a couple of levels. 753 01:25:14,193 --> 01:25:17,614 He tries to talk to her about her relationship with Tyler. 754 01:25:17,697 --> 01:25:22,869 She responds by talking about her relationship with him, since he is Tyler. 755 01:25:23,620 --> 01:25:28,041 And he thinks that she's asking him about his relationship with Tyler. 756 01:25:44,265 --> 01:25:45,933 It was the smart move on her part. 757 01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:49,854 (Chuck) That is such a heartless line. It makes me laugh every time. 758 01:26:18,925 --> 01:26:23,262 No... That's not the same thing at all. It's totally different with us. 759 01:26:23,971 --> 01:26:26,265 (Chuck) The "us" he's talking about is him and Tyler. 760 01:27:40,089 --> 01:27:43,217 This whole part is based on Zen monasteries, 761 01:27:43,301 --> 01:27:45,219 where you have to wait outside for three days 762 01:27:45,303 --> 01:27:47,346 before you're allowed to come in and train. 763 01:27:50,183 --> 01:27:52,101 It just seemed to work, you know. 764 01:28:51,410 --> 01:28:55,331 Sooner or later, we all became what Tyler wanted us to be. 765 01:28:55,414 --> 01:29:00,837 (Jim) That's a significant line because Jack's finding himself 766 01:29:02,171 --> 01:29:05,633 more and more just doing what Tyler tells him to do. 767 01:29:17,937 --> 01:29:20,439 If you look at the clerk scene with the gun, 768 01:29:20,523 --> 01:29:24,193 Jack was very uncomfortable with the gun and the way it was done, 769 01:29:24,277 --> 01:29:26,779 but then he got the idea and agreed with it. 770 01:29:28,155 --> 01:29:33,119 It seems like he starts the process of going along with this, 771 01:29:34,078 --> 01:29:36,539 but he's unsure at the same time, 772 01:29:36,622 --> 01:29:40,626 and that's what eventually deteriorates to when he's against it. 773 01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:47,216 (Chuck) It's a nice symmetry that he saves Big Bob at this point. 774 01:29:48,175 --> 01:29:53,222 But Big Bob is the catalyst that completely puts him off at Bob's death. 775 01:30:29,592 --> 01:30:35,222 There's a Scientologist practice called bull baiting that I've always heard about, 776 01:30:35,306 --> 01:30:39,769 where someone shouts abuse in your face, 777 01:30:40,353 --> 01:30:41,437 and you gradually get to the point 778 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,357 where you no longer sort of internalize this abuse. 779 01:30:46,525 --> 01:30:49,904 It's sort of a way of sort of strengthening yourself. 780 01:30:50,821 --> 01:30:53,908 And I really wanted to play with that idea. I love that concept. 781 01:31:32,530 --> 01:31:36,450 (Jim) I liked that he hugged him there because this is the moment 782 01:31:36,701 --> 01:31:39,954 where he discovers that he's really out of the loop 783 01:31:40,413 --> 01:31:42,748 with everything that's going on. 784 01:31:46,794 --> 01:31:51,132 (Chuck) I heard that that was the only product placement, that Pepsi was. 785 01:31:51,382 --> 01:31:54,677 But Budweiser must have been a product placement. 786 01:32:33,299 --> 01:32:35,926 I thought this was really interesting acting 787 01:32:36,010 --> 01:32:40,473 because they have to act like he was with them, because he was. 788 01:32:41,265 --> 01:32:44,769 And they have to act like he's now denying that he has any knowledge. 789 01:33:00,826 --> 01:33:04,080 (Chuck) Hope is the name of the sickle-cell anemia circle. 790 01:33:04,914 --> 01:33:10,336 Hope is also the name of the project that this man is talking about. 791 01:33:11,170 --> 01:33:12,922 Is there a connection? 792 01:33:13,005 --> 01:33:14,840 (Jim) Not that I'm aware of. 793 01:33:57,633 --> 01:33:59,593 (Chuck) It's sort of a problem - 794 01:34:00,636 --> 01:34:04,348 as he's pushing into the door, there's no deadbolt. 795 01:34:04,682 --> 01:34:07,393 As he's pushing in, there's no deadbolt. 796 01:34:07,768 --> 01:34:10,271 But after that, there's deadbolts on the door. 797 01:34:10,354 --> 01:34:12,982 And I thought, "Why would there be a deadbolt?" 798 01:34:13,065 --> 01:34:16,443 But the other day, I was in a bathroom that did have a deadbolt on the door. 799 01:35:02,364 --> 01:35:05,159 A few years ago, in Tacoma, 800 01:35:05,242 --> 01:35:09,371 there were a lot of bacteria poisonings at a Jack in the Box, 801 01:35:09,455 --> 01:35:11,165 and some children were killed. 802 01:35:11,248 --> 01:35:15,336 And it really impressed me how we trust our lives 803 01:35:15,419 --> 01:35:20,966 with the people that we give absolutely the least respect and the least money to, 804 01:35:21,133 --> 01:35:26,639 and yet they hold the lives of us and our children, literally, in their hands. 805 01:35:27,556 --> 01:35:32,019 And these are the people that we want to give minimum wage and abuse. 806 01:35:32,811 --> 01:35:36,732 It seemed really odd that these are the people that hold the most power. 807 01:35:42,571 --> 01:35:47,368 (Jim) Psychologically, what's going on is that Tyler is conventionally handsome, 808 01:35:48,786 --> 01:35:51,288 and this character, the boy, Angel Face, 809 01:35:51,372 --> 01:35:53,666 is conventionally good-looking. 810 01:35:54,208 --> 01:35:58,420 And there's a jealousy that it could even be 811 01:35:59,630 --> 01:36:01,966 looked at from a hetero point of view of 812 01:36:02,883 --> 01:36:04,551 my best friend would rather hang out 813 01:36:04,635 --> 01:36:08,138 with a more fair-haired, good-looking friend, 814 01:36:08,597 --> 01:36:10,849 because it's cooler somehow. 815 01:36:12,351 --> 01:36:16,563 But also, it obviously has homosexual connotations as well. 816 01:36:28,033 --> 01:36:33,080 (Chuck) This is another thing, getting back to just the joy of destroying things. 817 01:36:33,706 --> 01:36:38,585 Steinbeck used to write about how little boys would walk miles to break a window. 818 01:36:40,546 --> 01:36:45,759 I went to a party once where they provided hundreds of plates to break against a wall. 819 01:36:46,343 --> 01:36:49,805 It was a great party. There's a joy in breaking things. 820 01:36:51,890 --> 01:36:54,143 And it's not just a guy thing. 821 01:36:56,353 --> 01:36:59,565 (Jim) I sort of hosted an impromptu glass-breaking party 822 01:36:59,648 --> 01:37:00,858 at one of my apartments. 823 01:37:01,191 --> 01:37:05,738 It wasn't intended to be that way in the beginning, but it turned into that. 824 01:37:05,821 --> 01:37:07,573 I know what you're talking about. 825 01:37:57,748 --> 01:38:03,170 Jack thinks that Project Mayhem was secretly started without his knowledge, 826 01:38:03,253 --> 01:38:07,633 but in fact, it really has been just evolving all along from Fight Club. 827 01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:11,470 And the difference between them is that Jack, 828 01:38:12,096 --> 01:38:16,600 to him, the relationship with Tyler is more important than the organization. 829 01:38:16,683 --> 01:38:18,977 But to Tyler the relationship is meaningless. 830 01:38:19,311 --> 01:38:21,897 He wants to destroy Jack's ego consciousness 831 01:38:21,980 --> 01:38:25,943 and make him a participant in the greater good. 832 01:38:27,152 --> 01:38:33,409 (Chuck) The line, "You determine your own involvement" is the way it is in the world. 833 01:38:33,700 --> 01:38:37,162 You can hide out in your really beautifully decorated home 834 01:38:37,246 --> 01:38:41,375 or you can decide how much of the world you want to take responsibility for. 835 01:38:41,458 --> 01:38:44,044 And it's perfect. I love that line. 836 01:38:47,214 --> 01:38:50,467 Forget about what you think you know about life, friendship, 837 01:38:50,551 --> 01:38:52,511 and especially about you and me. 838 01:38:52,803 --> 01:38:57,850 (Chuck) That's a beautiful hint, because it works on so many ambiguous levels. 839 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:02,354 We're not friends, but in a way, it's the truth. 840 01:39:52,613 --> 01:39:56,992 Hitting bottom isn't a weekend retreat. It's not a goddamn seminar. 841 01:39:57,075 --> 01:40:00,245 Stop trying to control everything and just let go! 842 01:40:03,415 --> 01:40:04,583 Let go! 843 01:40:04,791 --> 01:40:08,086 (Chuck) I love those lines. I thought that was a terrific... 844 01:40:08,170 --> 01:40:13,800 I've seen this many times, and I still get... right up the spine when he says that. 845 01:41:05,644 --> 01:41:09,898 And what you do here by reconnecting back to the car accident thing... 846 01:41:09,982 --> 01:41:13,110 - (Jim) Yeah, I thought that was necessary. - Perfect. 847 01:41:13,944 --> 01:41:16,780 Why didn't I think to do that in the book? 848 01:41:17,489 --> 01:41:21,326 You made connections, you know, that I should have made. Damn. 849 01:41:38,051 --> 01:41:40,804 This is really spooky because this scene 850 01:41:41,013 --> 01:41:44,808 is how I envisioned Jack's father leaving him. 851 01:41:45,559 --> 01:41:48,520 This is exactly what Jack's father probably said. 852 01:41:48,770 --> 01:41:52,107 "You'll never see me again, but you'll have a great life." 853 01:41:52,190 --> 01:41:56,361 "You're gonna do things I never did. You're gonna have a world, blah, blah, blah." 854 01:41:56,862 --> 01:42:01,366 And then he said goodbye and walked out the door and Jack never saw him again. 855 01:42:01,450 --> 01:42:05,871 So when Tyler does this, it's creepy and heartbreaking. 856 01:42:11,335 --> 01:42:13,170 And then this "champ" line. 857 01:42:13,378 --> 01:42:15,130 Feel better, champ. 858 01:42:15,589 --> 01:42:17,799 - (Jim) That's like a father. - Exactly. 859 01:42:18,216 --> 01:42:22,054 It's just twisted. You know, it's just so cruel. 860 01:42:58,590 --> 01:43:01,677 (Jim) What I like is who knows how long he's been asleep? 861 01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,930 He walks downstairs and all of this is going on 862 01:43:06,139 --> 01:43:11,311 and it reinforces his alienation from the organization. 863 01:43:13,522 --> 01:43:19,403 (Chuck) And also, he's obsolete at this point. It runs itself. It perpetuates itself. 864 01:43:19,486 --> 01:43:23,949 It reproduces itself. He can't control it, it's out of his hands. 865 01:43:24,616 --> 01:43:26,868 It's basically the way I started feeling about the book 866 01:43:26,952 --> 01:43:28,787 after it started getting published. 867 01:43:57,691 --> 01:44:02,070 (Jim) What works about that is even though they think he's Tyler... 868 01:44:02,487 --> 01:44:04,281 But to us at this point, 869 01:44:04,406 --> 01:44:09,286 we would expect that Jack would have a position of vice president, 870 01:44:09,745 --> 01:44:14,583 so it's not unusual or it's not surprising to us that they say "sir" to him. 871 01:44:39,399 --> 01:44:43,361 (Chuck) She's just wonderful here. Just heartbreaking in that coat. 872 01:44:44,029 --> 01:44:48,825 It's like Audrey Hepburn on heroin, you know, it's so perfect. 873 01:44:51,703 --> 01:44:53,121 Tyler went away. 874 01:44:53,205 --> 01:44:56,792 Again, somebody talks about themselves in the third person, 875 01:44:56,875 --> 01:44:59,127 just like she did, when she said, 876 01:44:59,252 --> 01:45:03,381 "She's a wonderful, charming girl, she just lost faith in herself." 877 01:45:04,090 --> 01:45:07,219 We've established that narrative, so he can do it now 878 01:45:07,719 --> 01:45:09,513 and she understands. 879 01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:11,264 He's talking about himself. 880 01:45:20,607 --> 01:45:22,984 Now, did you hear about the Big Bob doll? 881 01:45:24,528 --> 01:45:27,280 (Jim) No, not the specifics anyway. 882 01:45:27,489 --> 01:45:30,408 (Chuck) The big, dead body they flop down is a doll. 883 01:45:30,575 --> 01:45:34,120 And David wanted to give it to Planet Hollywood, 884 01:45:34,371 --> 01:45:37,374 but only if they would serve guacamole out of the head. 885 01:45:39,668 --> 01:45:42,712 - Did you hear about shooting this scene? - (Jim) No. 886 01:45:42,796 --> 01:45:47,676 (Chuck) I guess this was the toughest scene to shoot, because this giant, multi-ton ball, 887 01:45:48,134 --> 01:45:51,596 when it hit the water, it floated across the water, it was so light. 888 01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,724 It took them forever to shoot this scene because of that. 889 01:47:02,500 --> 01:47:03,668 Now, you listen to me. 890 01:47:03,752 --> 01:47:08,131 This is a man and he has a name, and it's Robert Paulsen, OK? 891 01:47:08,673 --> 01:47:10,467 (Jim) My idea here was that... 892 01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:13,428 In the book, everyone recites, "His name is Robert Paulsen," 893 01:47:13,511 --> 01:47:18,475 but I wanted to show the genesis of how a misunderstanding led to that. 894 01:47:18,975 --> 01:47:22,354 He's just trying to tell them this is Robert Paulsen, 895 01:47:22,437 --> 01:47:26,524 but this guy gets the idea that in death they're supposed to have a name. 896 01:47:28,026 --> 01:47:30,278 (Chuck) And so they're just sort of parroting him. 897 01:47:30,570 --> 01:47:33,198 (all) His name is Robert Paulsen. 898 01:47:58,390 --> 01:48:03,478 It makes a really nice, sort of psychic breaking point for him to flee. 899 01:48:13,530 --> 01:48:16,491 These are supposed to be boarding passes or something? 900 01:48:16,574 --> 01:48:18,576 (Jim) Right, but they're used. 901 01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:21,496 That's how he knows where Tyler went. 902 01:48:54,946 --> 01:48:59,784 (Chuck) It's funny, this is sweet, because now people keep telling me stories 903 01:48:59,868 --> 01:49:02,412 that they've heard about me, you know. 904 01:49:02,495 --> 01:49:07,250 "I hear Chuck Palahniuk lives in a castle on an island and he won't sign books." 905 01:49:07,333 --> 01:49:09,586 All this shit that's not true. 906 01:49:10,837 --> 01:49:13,214 These are all really beautifully foreshadowing. 907 01:49:57,092 --> 01:50:00,095 I was living in a state of perpetual déjà vu. 908 01:50:01,012 --> 01:50:04,182 Everywhere I went, I felt I'd already been there. 909 01:50:05,934 --> 01:50:07,393 (Jim) More clues. 910 01:50:08,978 --> 01:50:13,024 (Chuck) I can't believe people didn't figure it out. Come on. Come on. 911 01:50:13,108 --> 01:50:15,693 Rosebud is a sled, people. Figure it out. 912 01:50:58,820 --> 01:51:02,365 This is so sweet when he points to the kiss on his hand. 913 01:51:02,824 --> 01:51:07,829 That is so much cleaner than how I did it in the book. Thank you very much. Christ. 914 01:51:34,230 --> 01:51:36,357 - Have we ever done it? - Done what? 915 01:51:36,441 --> 01:51:39,611 - Had sex. - What kind of stupid question is that? 916 01:51:39,861 --> 01:51:42,614 Stupid because the answer's yes or because it's no? 917 01:51:42,697 --> 01:51:45,200 - Is this a trick? - No. I need to know... 918 01:51:45,283 --> 01:51:48,953 You wanna know if I think we were just having sex or making love? 919 01:51:49,495 --> 01:51:53,625 (Jim) I wanted to draw it out as long as possible, not getting an answer. 920 01:54:59,102 --> 01:55:00,978 It's called a changeover. 921 01:55:01,062 --> 01:55:05,191 The movie goes on, and nobody in the audience has any idea. 922 01:55:05,733 --> 01:55:08,569 (Chuck) Now, that line about nobody having any idea, 923 01:55:08,653 --> 01:55:12,657 was that an allusion to the audience not accepting the premise 924 01:55:12,740 --> 01:55:14,534 or getting confused? 925 01:55:14,826 --> 01:55:16,702 (Jim) No, no, not at all. 926 01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:22,917 (Chuck) I thought this was a real smart way of getting information in. 927 01:56:41,621 --> 01:56:46,125 Now, was Tyler originally planning to kill himself and Marla 928 01:56:46,209 --> 01:56:48,252 in the one building that didn't blow up? 929 01:56:51,589 --> 01:56:52,924 (Jim) Actually, 930 01:56:53,424 --> 01:56:57,637 when we get to that point, ask me that question again. 931 01:57:53,484 --> 01:57:57,530 (Chuck) This is a really nice way to put a little humor in at this point. 932 01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:50,875 I love this. When she finally feels like she's gonna win, 933 01:58:50,958 --> 01:58:52,543 she's gonna get something back... 934 01:59:09,935 --> 01:59:14,065 You have very serious emotional problems 935 01:59:14,231 --> 01:59:16,484 for which you should seek professional help. 936 01:59:17,401 --> 01:59:19,111 (Jim) This coming from Marla. 937 01:59:36,337 --> 01:59:39,423 (Chuck) Now, you saw that - Seven Years In Tibet, here. 938 01:59:39,507 --> 01:59:44,512 Across the street is Wings of the Dove and The People vs. Larry Flint, 939 01:59:44,595 --> 01:59:46,597 but we never really see them in the shot. 940 02:00:11,038 --> 02:00:13,833 I'm not paying this back. I consider it asshole tax. 941 02:00:14,417 --> 02:00:18,879 (Jim) That's actually something I said to somebody once that lent me money, 942 02:00:18,963 --> 02:00:23,676 but he had done some things to disturb me and I said, "This is asshole tax." 943 02:01:33,496 --> 02:01:38,250 It's interesting that he's so articulate in explaining everything. 944 02:01:38,334 --> 02:01:42,296 It's as if he's pulling up Tyler's memory bank, 945 02:01:42,379 --> 02:01:45,174 or knowledge bank, to say all this stuff. 946 02:02:31,762 --> 02:02:34,348 (Chuck) This was such a smooth way of dealing with this. 947 02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:38,185 (Jim) I remember you had it happen in a bus, 948 02:02:38,269 --> 02:02:41,772 but you gave me the idea for police because 949 02:02:41,856 --> 02:02:45,442 a cop comes on to the bus and participates. 950 02:02:46,944 --> 02:02:49,905 (Chuck) You have lines where they're waiting to time it. 951 02:02:49,989 --> 02:02:53,701 They wait for the second hand to come up around to the top of the 12. 952 02:02:53,784 --> 02:02:55,494 (Jim) That was very funny from the book. 953 02:02:59,290 --> 02:03:02,459 (Chuck) The bureaucracy of doing something really horrific 954 02:03:02,626 --> 02:03:07,131 and trying to do something really cruel and horrific, but do it perfectly. 955 02:03:19,101 --> 02:03:22,479 - Now, did you come up with "lead salad"? - (Jim) No. 956 02:03:22,646 --> 02:03:24,982 (Chuck) I bet Edward came up with that. 957 02:03:30,613 --> 02:03:34,992 First person that comes out this door gets a lead salad! Understand? 958 02:04:10,569 --> 02:04:13,697 (Chuck) Did you hear about these buildings that get exploded? 959 02:04:14,031 --> 02:04:16,492 - (Jim) Which story? - It's a composite. 960 02:04:16,575 --> 02:04:20,704 The fake skyline, they're all Fox properties, 961 02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:25,834 because they couldn't implode buildings they didn't own or they would be sued. 962 02:04:27,086 --> 02:04:30,547 They're pictures of all these different Fox buildings, 963 02:04:30,839 --> 02:04:34,343 assembled on a huge, huge Translite, 964 02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:39,974 to make a fake skyline that 20th Century Fox owns, 965 02:04:40,057 --> 02:04:41,725 or Fox News Corporation owns. 966 02:05:20,848 --> 02:05:23,809 Was he setting it up for them to die at this point? 967 02:05:23,892 --> 02:05:26,103 Because this building is supposed to explode too. 968 02:05:26,937 --> 02:05:30,024 (Jim) What happens - when we get to the... I'll point it out. 969 02:05:30,941 --> 02:05:36,238 After this fight, as a result of it, Jack passes out. 970 02:05:37,239 --> 02:05:41,243 And then we fade to black. And then, when we come up, they're in a building. 971 02:05:41,326 --> 02:05:44,079 But they're not in the same building. 972 02:05:44,955 --> 02:05:51,503 They're in the building from which it was slated to watch all the explosions. 973 02:06:39,176 --> 02:06:42,513 I think it's a great thing about the film that, 974 02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:48,685 even though we know the secret of Tyler, he still remains a threat. 975 02:06:50,187 --> 02:06:55,025 Because everything he's done is still in position to activate, 976 02:06:55,150 --> 02:07:00,030 and he's still there, being a threat, very convincingly. 977 02:07:01,573 --> 02:07:06,203 (Chuck) Even though he's no longer consciously even wanted, he does, 978 02:07:06,286 --> 02:07:08,705 he is usurping the consciousness. 979 02:07:18,340 --> 02:07:21,802 It's funny how many people are angry that Tyler got killed. 980 02:07:21,885 --> 02:07:25,180 And people are now trying to buy the rights to Tyler Durden 981 02:07:25,264 --> 02:07:28,725 so they can write subsequent books about Tyler. 982 02:07:34,106 --> 02:07:37,818 Tyler, I'm not kidding! Get away from the van! 983 02:07:37,901 --> 02:07:39,361 Goddammit! 984 02:07:40,571 --> 02:07:42,823 Whoa! Whoa! 985 02:07:46,076 --> 02:07:47,077 OK. 986 02:07:47,452 --> 02:07:50,622 You are now firing a gun at your imaginary friend 987 02:07:50,747 --> 02:07:53,208 near 400 gallons of nitroglycerin! 988 02:07:54,877 --> 02:07:59,756 That is really sweet because it foreshadows Tyler's knowledge 989 02:07:59,923 --> 02:08:03,594 that the death of either of them is the death of both of them. 990 02:08:16,982 --> 02:08:19,693 I can't figure out how they got that shot. 991 02:08:19,776 --> 02:08:23,655 How did they pan across and have Brad at both ends of the shot? 992 02:08:24,615 --> 02:08:28,285 (Jim) I don't know. That is quite an accomplishment. 993 02:08:29,953 --> 02:08:32,247 (Chuck) It's so subtle, you don't even think about it. 994 02:08:54,478 --> 02:08:57,064 (Jim) It has an insane absurdity to it, 995 02:08:57,147 --> 02:09:00,859 to be beaten up by your own alternate personality. 996 02:09:01,109 --> 02:09:06,657 (Chuck) Right. In a way, it's like a huge Greek archetype, 997 02:09:06,740 --> 02:09:10,619 in that your fatal flaw is what destroys you. 998 02:09:11,161 --> 02:09:14,915 You know, the one thing, your wildness or your, I don't know... 999 02:09:14,998 --> 02:09:18,877 The one thing you can't control, no matter how hard you work, 1000 02:09:19,002 --> 02:09:21,255 that's the part that's gonna kill you. 1001 02:09:29,888 --> 02:09:34,768 I thought that was beautiful because it fits with, "I fell down some stairs" earlier. 1002 02:09:34,851 --> 02:09:38,021 - Was that conscious? - (Jim) I can't... 1003 02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:41,316 - I can't say it was. - (Chuck) I wish it was. 1004 02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:43,735 (Jim) Or maybe it was on David's part. 1005 02:09:46,863 --> 02:09:51,326 So it faded to black and faded up here, and this is a different building. 1006 02:10:31,074 --> 02:10:37,664 (Chuck) It's funny how there's never any unintentional anything in David's movies. 1007 02:10:38,749 --> 02:10:40,667 When she's first put on the bus and you think 1008 02:10:40,751 --> 02:10:44,504 you see a bunch of shadows around her, 1009 02:10:45,005 --> 02:10:47,591 you think maybe that was just people. 1010 02:10:48,508 --> 02:10:52,471 And so, at this point, this sort of confirms what you suspected. 1011 02:10:55,098 --> 02:10:58,352 He's such a control freak. Come on, David. Let go. 1012 02:11:56,076 --> 02:12:01,289 It's funny because it really was a frustrating movie, 1013 02:12:01,498 --> 02:12:05,168 because it raises my standards for movies. 1014 02:12:05,710 --> 02:12:07,295 And now I watch movies and I'm like, 1015 02:12:07,379 --> 02:12:10,549 "Why aren't they better written and better filmed?" 1016 02:12:10,632 --> 02:12:15,011 And there is not one shot in the movie that isn't a beauty shot. 1017 02:12:15,595 --> 02:12:17,097 And there is not one thing 1018 02:12:17,180 --> 02:12:20,142 that a huge amount of attention and thought didn't go into. 1019 02:12:20,225 --> 02:12:25,689 And movies after this are just an enormous disappointment. 1020 02:12:26,731 --> 02:12:32,612 Plot-wise, appearance-wise, acting-wise, it's raised the standards 1021 02:12:32,696 --> 02:12:36,324 and it's made me really disgusted with most movies. 1022 02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:39,870 So, hey, damn you, David Fincher. 1023 02:12:42,706 --> 02:12:48,879 (Jim) It was a combination of being blown away by the finished product, 1024 02:12:50,213 --> 02:12:52,883 and at the same time, it matched expectations 1025 02:12:52,966 --> 02:12:57,220 in the sense that it looked exactly right to me. 1026 02:12:57,721 --> 02:13:03,602 So I was both pleased, but I also felt like this is the way I saw it. 1027 02:13:48,563 --> 02:13:53,318 (Chuck) I love that sound. I don't know what they did - dropped a steak on the floor... 1028 02:13:54,611 --> 02:13:59,074 (Jim) I think one of the things that seems ambiguous about this 1029 02:13:59,157 --> 02:14:05,622 is, in the book, he blew his cheek, blew a hole in his cheek. 1030 02:14:06,748 --> 02:14:09,918 This wound looks much more severe through the neck. 1031 02:14:10,001 --> 02:14:16,132 And I've had people ask me if, in fact, Jack is not dead for the rest of the film. 1032 02:14:16,508 --> 02:14:18,134 And this is a... 1033 02:14:18,635 --> 02:14:20,929 (Chuck) Oh, the rest is a hallucination? 1034 02:14:21,012 --> 02:14:23,139 (Jim) Sort of a death hallucination. 1035 02:14:25,475 --> 02:14:26,893 (Chuck) Yeah, maybe. 1036 02:14:27,561 --> 02:14:30,772 - You look awful. You need assistance. - (rasping) I'm fine. 1037 02:14:34,276 --> 02:14:40,490 (Chuck) I love that. I love that continuous denial of how fucked things really are. 1038 02:14:40,824 --> 02:14:42,450 "No, I'm fine." 1039 02:15:15,358 --> 02:15:18,445 - I can't believe he's standing. - Tough motherfucker. 1040 02:15:18,528 --> 02:15:23,241 (Chuck) Instead of "tough", I wish they had said, "crazy motherfucker". 1041 02:16:01,488 --> 02:16:05,742 It's amazing to see this because when I watched them shoot this scene, 1042 02:16:07,661 --> 02:16:10,413 at the moment of the first explosion, 1043 02:16:10,747 --> 02:16:14,292 it was a bunch of stagehands on the other side of those windows, 1044 02:16:14,376 --> 02:16:16,878 standing below the window, shaking them. 1045 02:16:17,879 --> 02:16:19,923 And then nothing happened. 1046 02:16:20,131 --> 02:16:22,967 So I had no idea what the effect would be. 1047 02:16:23,301 --> 02:16:26,596 And it's just so terrific to see it all put together like this. 1048 02:16:27,138 --> 02:16:30,684 The other thing, before I forget - the penis with the black pubic hair, 1049 02:16:30,767 --> 02:16:32,185 did you hear the story about that? 1050 02:16:32,811 --> 02:16:36,564 It was a big studio directive that it had to have black pubic hair, 1051 02:16:36,648 --> 02:16:38,441 so nobody could say it was Brad's. 1052 02:16:40,110 --> 02:16:42,195 Now, when people say, "Did you have a part in the movie?" 1053 02:16:42,278 --> 02:16:44,155 I say, "Yeah, I had a part." 1054 02:16:45,865 --> 02:16:47,283 But that's not true either. 1055 02:16:47,951 --> 02:16:53,331 (Jim) Originally, I had wanted to have from Jack's POV, looking at the boss, 1056 02:16:54,124 --> 02:16:55,875 the film slows down, 1057 02:16:55,959 --> 02:17:00,422 and then there's a penis spliced in where the boss was. 1058 02:17:00,797 --> 02:17:04,426 And I wrote that into the script and David liked the effect, 1059 02:17:04,509 --> 02:17:08,388 but he thought it better to do that whole effect at the end of the movie. 1060 02:17:08,471 --> 02:17:12,058 The implication is Tyler is in the projection room 1061 02:17:12,142 --> 02:17:14,060 of the theater you're watching this in. 1062 02:17:14,144 --> 02:17:17,313 (Chuck) So it would have been on the boss instead of at the end? 1063 02:17:17,564 --> 02:17:20,400 (Jim) Just a little hallucination for Jack to have. 1064 02:17:20,483 --> 02:17:24,821 (Chuck) And it's terrific because it truncates the romantic ending. 1065 02:17:24,904 --> 02:17:27,157 And the Pixies' song is great. 1066 02:17:27,699 --> 02:17:34,497 And the false complacency: "Everything is gonna be all right" - when, in fact, no. 1067 02:17:36,458 --> 02:17:39,711 There's still 6,000 space monkeys outside 1068 02:17:39,794 --> 02:17:42,213 and things are not really gonna be all right. 1069 02:17:43,089 --> 02:17:46,009 But at least we know what we're dealing with at this point. 1070 02:17:48,178 --> 02:17:53,475 And it's funny that people want such a clean, happy ending. 1071 02:17:53,975 --> 02:17:58,855 But that's never the case. I think the only happy ending we get is when we die. 1072 02:17:59,355 --> 02:18:04,319 I mean, life is just always more and more, so why shouldn't this be more and more? 1073 02:18:07,071 --> 02:18:11,743 People are already talking about, "Are you gonna write a sequel to the book?" 1074 02:18:12,035 --> 02:18:14,245 And I swore I would never do that. 1075 02:18:14,329 --> 02:18:16,915 I can't imagine something that'd be less fun 1076 02:18:17,665 --> 02:18:20,502 than writing a sequel to a book I've already written. 1077 02:18:21,211 --> 02:18:22,837 (Jim) What would it be? 1078 02:18:24,839 --> 02:18:28,551 (Chuck) Yeah. It would be somehow bringing Tyler back from the dead. 1079 02:18:41,898 --> 02:18:46,277 Raymond called me once from New York and we talked for about two hours - 1080 02:18:47,153 --> 02:18:49,364 Raymond Bongiovanni there. 1081 02:18:49,572 --> 02:18:52,951 It was before he got anybody else to read this stuff. 1082 02:18:53,368 --> 02:18:56,329 It was back in the summer of '95 when I first wrote it. 1083 02:18:56,412 --> 02:18:59,958 I think Raymond was calling to find out if I was a psycho or not, 1084 02:19:00,041 --> 02:19:05,547 because I'm not sure if he was gonna get people to read it if I was a maniac. 1085 02:19:05,630 --> 02:19:06,631 But God bless Raymond. 1086 02:19:06,714 --> 02:19:07,715 English - US - SDH 1086 02:19:08,305 --> 02:20:08,371 5 days of Hacking / Camping / Lectures Join May Contain Hackers: MCH2022.org